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Hello folks, a couple items. Broken into two posts.
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After going to the big Target Video thing a few days back, I realized what I really wanted to say, or to ask Joe Rees.
Here goes:
a) The iPod and iTunes have completely ruined popular music. Listening to a teeny match book sized box, with ear buds stuck in your ears in your own little personal bubble, is terrible. Even a boom box on Sproul steps is better. Compare it to the experience we all just saw on the screen (Target). Young people, next to each other, experiencing live music, live art, humanity, deaf club, expression, sweat, throbbing vibrations, smoke, sexy girls, fine men, sharp spikes, as a group ... all together. In person. The iPod has taken that away. Now think about music stores (Rather Ripped, Universal) ... and compare to the iTunes store. Sorry mate. Young people do not get the sage advice of a Marc Time or Gary Nervo explaining Pere Ubu or Iggy Pop to them. or to see their peers in person and rap about record in a group. And bump into new ideas with people and learn to talk, learn, posture, create in person. Now take the cover art. Cover flow on the iPod excuse me. This does not compare to a Peter Saville album cover, or holding the art in your hands, big and expressive, when sitting cross legged and putting the needle on the record.
b) YouTube. Conversely, I think YouTube is actually good for video. This is a case when the technology frees up the already packaged, prefabricated nature of a pre-made contained piece (video), and allows it to be found, searchable, viewable, indexed, by millions. And to get the art out to people. Transmit a frozen period in time to others not there. The difference here is that Video is Video. And Punk Rock is Punk Rock. The video leads itself to transmission. While on the other hand, the music can only really live in a club. A venue. With greater than one human being interacting. At a live event. At Barrington, or the Geary Temple, or the International Cafe. With the faces for the friends and band and the fabric and 3-dimension emersion of the live experience. Thus, the iPod is as far away from Punk Rock as you can get. While YouTube is an okay way to watch, archive, and share video.
b) Question: So, Joe Rees, what do you think? What do you think about YouTube?
Peter peter_mont AT yahoo.com
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After going to the big Target Video thing a few days back, I realized what I really wanted to say, or to ask Joe Rees.
Here goes:
a) The iPod and iTunes have completely ruined popular music. Listening to a teeny match book sized box, with ear buds stuck in your ears in your own little personal bubble, is terrible. Even a boom box on Sproul steps is better. Compare it to the experience we all just saw on the screen (Target). Young people, next to each other, experiencing live music, live art, humanity, deaf club, expression, sweat, throbbing vibrations, smoke, sexy girls, fine men, sharp spikes, as a group ... all together. In person. The iPod has taken that away. Now think about music stores (Rather Ripped, Universal) ... and compare to the iTunes store. Sorry mate. Young people do not get the sage advice of a Marc Time or Gary Nervo explaining Pere Ubu or Iggy Pop to them. or to see their peers in person and rap about record in a group. And bump into new ideas with people and learn to talk, learn, posture, create in person. Now take the cover art. Cover flow on the iPod excuse me. This does not compare to a Peter Saville album cover, or holding the art in your hands, big and expressive, when sitting cross legged and putting the needle on the record.
b) YouTube. Conversely, I think YouTube is actually good for video. This is a case when the technology frees up the already packaged, prefabricated nature of a pre-made contained piece (video), and allows it to be found, searchable, viewable, indexed, by millions. And to get the art out to people. Transmit a frozen period in time to others not there. The difference here is that Video is Video. And Punk Rock is Punk Rock. The video leads itself to transmission. While on the other hand, the music can only really live in a club. A venue. With greater than one human being interacting. At a live event. At Barrington, or the Geary Temple, or the International Cafe. With the faces for the friends and band and the fabric and 3-dimension emersion of the live experience. Thus, the iPod is as far away from Punk Rock as you can get. While YouTube is an okay way to watch, archive, and share video.
b) Question: So, Joe Rees, what do you think? What do you think about YouTube?
Peter peter_mont AT yahoo.com
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Re: Punk: Two items: Target Video (Punk Pioneers)
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 12:29 PMHey, I love my Walkman...they're so punk!
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Re: Punk: Two items: Target Video (Punk Pioneers)
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 1:13 PMwe would have to collectively as a culture trash the so called progress of globalization and turn back entirely to a former state, and it would have to be much like feurbach suggested, that the theory cannot be fully realized in its totality less its physically manifested in practice... and you would be shure that there will be the thomas friedmans of the world telling the public that those who are engaging in it are on the "wrong side of the digital divide," uneducated common folks who dont see the benefits, flatlanders, and luddites.. etc -
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Re: Punk: Two items: Target Video (Punk Pioneers)
Sat, September 13, 2008 - 2:26 AMIt ain't gonna happen. But I agree that the visceral aspect is gone, the human connection at clubs, the cover art in your hands at home. But today's kids don't know anything different. My teenage son is thrilled to "leaf" through his iTunes album covers. Here in Oslo you can't get into clubs before you're 18, so his experience of live music is limited to a local annual rock festival.
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Re: Punk: Two items: Target Video (Punk Pioneers)
Sat, September 13, 2008 - 7:57 AMhrm you know the person i think would be best to have this discussion with is aaron cometbus...only you'd have to go to new york or settle for writing every couple of months to his berkeley PO box (which gets forwarded). cause he has been a true die hard with his anti-internet, anti-email etc. philosophy.
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